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Many religious apologetics claim that without God, nihilism necessarily follows.  The counterpoint has been made many times that even if the universe is meaningless or unpalatable without God, that doesn't make God any more likely to exist.  If you decide that a world in which you're no seven feet tall is unacceptable to you, that won't make you any taller.  However, nobody seems to have questioned the assumption that God's existence would impart meaning.

After listening to lectures from religious believers and talking to them online, I've noticed that they tend to view their God the same way a toddler views a father figure.  Daddy is infinitely strong.  Daddy knows everything, and he is always right.  If Daddy says it's good, it's good.  Pointing out flaws and inefficiencies in God's alleged work, and the moral and logical errors in God's alleged plan, seldom phases a believer, just like a toddler can never be convinced that their father is anything less than perfect regardless of his past deeds.

Now let's look at the most important question we all face: What is the meaning of life?  It's a scary question, since nobody wants to find out on their death bed that they've wasted their life.  After conversing with religious people, I now have some understanding of why the answer seems so simple to them.  Do what Daddy says and all will be right with the world.  They're happy to pawn the tough question off onto religion and see no reason to contemplate it further.

However, if you do contemplate it further, you'll notice a problem.  Let's assume (despite mountains of evidence to the contrary) that God does exist.  Let's imagine that cosmologists come forward one day and tell us that they found a large man in space, who has presented compelling evidence that he indeed created the universe, and tells us that he has a plan for us.

How would this plan affect our meaning to life?  As thinking beings, we could evaluate this plan, decide what seems right based on internal consistency, how selfish or selfless of God's motives are, how following God's plan would affect other people, the rewards for following God, etc.  Notice that even in this religiously ideal case, we're still making judgments based on our own belief systems and values.  We're still creating our own meaning.

To counter this point, some Christians will assert that we only have values (and morality, since it follows directly from our values) because God encoded them into us in the first place.  This is one instance of religious stupidity that I find genuinely insulting.  It implies that my values aren't really my own, and that God merely whispered them into my ear at birth and deceptively* made them feel like my own ideas.  My personal revulsion aside, this lunacy runs into an immediate logical problem.  If God covertly programmed us to have the belief systems, values, and preferences of his choosing, that is glorified brainwashing, and free will goes out the window.

*Contrary to what Christians would like you to think, the bible doesn't actually say that God magnetized our moral compasses or instilled within us our values.  However, there are plenty of passages that claim nearly the opposite: that our (God-created) bodies urge us to pursue that which God himself detests.  Go figure. :shrug: Genesis 6:5 Romans 8:5-8 Job 15:14-16 Romans 3:10-18

The crux of the matter is this: in order for anything to have value, it has to be valuable to someone.  The idea that intrinsic meaning was woven into the fabric of the universe by a deity, independently of anyone's thoughts, feelings, and values, isn't just impossible; it's absurd.  To accept this religious view would require us to reevaluate our most joyous and treasured moments as meaningless, if only we found that there was no deity floating around in space somewhere to reassure us that our joy was real.

In closing, I'd like to add that not only does nihilism not follow from atheism; it is religious fanaticism that is the true nihilistic position.  If your interests all revolve around pleasing an invisible (and in all likelihood nonexistent) worship-hungry narcissist in the sky, and all of your good deeds are done to achieve this end, then you don't really care about the people in your life or anything else in the real world.  That is the epitome of nihilism.
:iconrushandruleit:
So it turns out there is something God can’t do. Okay, two things.

An angry religious person who had read some of my essays recently scolded me for not believing. “WHY ARE WE HERE!?” was one point he screamed in protest. Although this wasn’t the voice of someone who was interested in the answer, I tried to explain that we create our own meaning. It wasn’t until later that I thought of the perfect response to this objection:

What are some things that are important to you?

(He or she lists some of their values, such as family, friends, art, music, sports, etc.)

Hypothetically, if you were to discover that we did come about through naturalistic processes, and there really is no God out there, would those things still be important to you?

(He or she would almost certainly say yes.)

There you go. You can and do create your own meaning. You don’t need an outside force to tell you what to care about; you are free to decide that for yourself.
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~InvaderLez Mar 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
What is a nihilist? :?
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:iconrushandruleit:
There are several different versions of Nihilism, but here I'm referring to the belief that life is entirely pointless and nothing has any value of any kind.
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:iconverixas92:
Mind if I write a response to this issue and link you to the page?
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:iconrushandruleit:
Sure, no problem. :)
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:iconverixas92:
Okay, here's my article on atheism vs nihilism: [link]
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:iconspazzboy911:
This is interesting. I am both a Christian as well as a nihilist; this simply saying that the universe and everything in it has no inherit value except that which God gives it and even then, only to those who live in the Spirit, since those living in the flesh will find no meaning in the universe or anything in it. To me, the two are are complimentary ideas; without God, no meaning. Find God, find His meaning.

I am not destined for this world. My destiny is with Him in His kingdom everlasting. Try looking up Ecclesiastes, my favorite book. Some of the first words in the book are "Vanities of vanities! Everything is meaningless! A chasing of the wind!" And yes it is. Even wisdom is meaningless, for God is above wisdom.

Anyway, wouldn't a nihilist already know that if all things are without meaning, then nihilism itself is without meaning, and so worthless? It's self fulfilling, thus self defeating. Belief in God is meaningless, living in the flesh is meaningless, vanity is meaningless, and nihilism is meaningless, a chasing of the wind.
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So you claim to be a nihilist, but in the same breath you call that position self-contradictory? Well, I guess you're not a true nihilist since you believe that God gives meaning. In any case, I don't think nihilism is self-contradictory. Just because you believe something is true doesn't mean you think it is valuable or good; I believe that if I go to a the Kroger parking lot, I can find at least one silver car (by the law of averages). I don't think that's good or bad - just true.
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:iconspazzboy911:
"True nihilism" doesn't exist; it's self defeating ;]
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~EnitanStitches May 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm. Well, in a way, some call me atheist. And? I really do not mind.

I am me. That is all.

I write, I draw, I read the Brother's Grimm, I love mythology.

That is it. I do not follow a man in the sky telling me what is and what is not, and it is a shame that some take religion too seriously and can not make their own choices.

Now, does that mean I insult and despise all associated with such a topic? No. I say if you believe something, hey, don't let me intervene. So long as someone does not overpower me and give me what some call "the Johnson treatment", after what former president Lyndon D. Johnson would use in his more "in-your-face" management, which was quite effective, then yes: I shall most likely attempt to devour your fingers, more or less.

Now: this essay, as many presume, is controversial. But it seems, in all aspects to be more of meaning and independence rather than just religion and such.

So there you have it.

-E.S.
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